Why did you decide to support Spurs

[RiffHard]

just as I thought really.... most of you 'supporters' of Spurs are nothing of the sort..

youre a bunch of wannabes who have never even attended half a dozen Spurs games, but rather like to 'associate' themselves with a London Premiership club cos it kinda feels nice to do so... abit like picking a favourite colour when youre 6yrs old..

I would never call myself a supporter of Spurs (or any other club) as I feel that degrades REAL supporters of football clubs that go to the trouble and sheer expense of literally supporting their club with hard-earned cash...

personally, I would never dream of spending money regularly to watch Prem football, as its a rip-off costing 40pounds+ for just 90mins of dubious entertainment - not when I can follow quality football through ESPN or Sky for much much less....

the only league where I would consider attending and supporting a football club is probably in Germany, where the average cost is about 15pounds for a match-ticket - a reasonable price for matches of equal quality and excitement as Prem games... I also think the idea of majority fan-owned clubs rthere is the best system for Football, and the stadiums and facilities in Germany are second to none.... compared with some real poo-holes even in the Premiership that ppl have to attend for games....

I am not a supporter, but I like to watch Spurs..... cos for decades theyve played an attacking game with flair and style, and I'm particularly enjoying the football we've played for the last 6yrs since Jol/Arneson arrived... building great teams from developing alot of young players and then bringing in a few experienced players to help them....

That nicely sums you up, doesn't it, Gareth Keown? So nice of you to call other people here 'wannabes', I really hope mods take action.

[Gareth Keown]

thats good.... be a wannabe, but also know that you are not a club supporter.... neither am I..

and subscribing to SKy means you contribute to Ars*nal more than you have to Spurs since the Prem and SkySports came into existence, as Ars*nal get more money for finishing higher...

but then alot of Spurs wannabe-fans end up financially supporting Ars*nal more than they do Spurs..... ironic but true.

[RiffHard]

but then alot of Spurs wannabe-fans end up financially supporting Ars*nal more than they do Spurs..... ironic but true.

Or are Ars*nal fans in disguise, spreading s**t from their big mouths.

[Aosoth]

You didn't answer my question Gareth.  I'd really like to know what you're getting out of deliberatly trying to condescend, belittle and insult the members of the forum here.  It's wearing very thin.

Is it merely an attempt to see just how far you can push the admins before you move onto another forum and do the same?

[Gareth Keown]

whats the matter Aosoth ??.... truth hurts eh...

I just happen to have proper respect for REAL supporters of football clubs (irrespective of allegiance) who take the trouble of investing their time, energy and hard-earned money and actually be part of the fabric of a thriving football club...

I dont happen to think that buying a Sky subscription and flicking onto the correct channel using your remote-control while sitting on a sofa actually constitutes being a supporter of a specified football club..

you are a TV viewer who happens to like watching Spurs games..... that's just what I am too..

neither of us are supporters ( tho' 1 likes to delude that he/she is)

[Aosoth]

That's not what I said I was.  I am someone who goes to White Hart Lane at least twice a season.  I have no shame in admitting that I cannot afford to go more than that, travel alone is expensive enough.

Other than that I will watch them on TV, Listen to them on BBC London radio or catch a live feed on here if I have the patience to do so.

My hard earned money still goes into club coffers, it just doesn't happen as often as I'd like. 


And this still has nothing to do with what I asked you.  I'm assuming you won't answer but the question stands anyways.  What makes you feel you have the right to judge other people, to try to make them feel small or devalued?   What makes you feel it's right to apply YOUR value set to everyone around you and to condemn those who don't seem to fit into the pigeon-holes that you set for them.

[Gareth Keown]

I'm not judging anyone... I just happen to like using the right labels ie. the ones that apply correctly, not ones used thru assumption, convention and possibly vanity..

you are not a Spurs FC supporter..... you like Spurs FC, you occasionally watch them and enjoy it when they do well...... thats just the reality of it..

if anything thru your Sky Sports subscription, youre a supporter of Premiership Football....

[Aosoth]

You're implying that financial contribution is the only way that anyone can show support and it's just crap.  Do you but a band on exactly how much a person needs to contribute towards an organisation to be considered a supporter?

You're arguing semantics and in a completely moronic way.

[bigv]

We ARE supporters Gareth. We follow our team and their progress wherever we live and whatever our circumstances. We take the time to watch their games by whatever means is both possible and feasible in our varied and altogether different lives. We share in their defeats, rejoice in their victories, shout , laugh and cry in anger frustration and ecstasy. We live in hope for improvements in team performance and outcomes and are proud of team their history and our fellow supporters. We ARE supporters Gareth, you my friend are a knobjockey!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gareth Keown]

in the context of this question, I think semantics are indeed important..

I think what you allude to is the word 'admiration', it is not the same as the word 'support' which obliges the recipient entity to materially benefit (even beyong the financial aspect)...

if you were to cook the players pre-match meal, or even wash their unmentionables after a hard training-session, or undertake some other task to qualify.... then I would have to consider that you have in some way supported the club in their quest to win games..

simply declaring your undying love does not qualify you to the position of club-supporter.

I'll concede that you are a club-fan..... my 2yr old nephew is a fan of Mickey Mouse Clubhouse too.... he doesnt support it tho...

[Biggs]

in the context of this question, I think semantics are indeed important..

I think what you allude to is the word 'admiration', it is not the same as the word 'support' which obliges the recipient entity to materially benefit (even beyong the financial aspect)...

if you were to cook the players pre-match meal, or even wash their unmentionables after a hard training-session, or undertake some other task to qualify.... then I would have to consider that you have in some way supported the club in their quest to win games..

simply declaring your undying love does not qualify you to the position of club-supporter.

I'll concede that you are a club-fan..... my 2yr old nephew is a fan of Mickey Mouse Clubhouse too.... he doesnt support it tho...

Gareth, are you seriously being that nit-picky about the difference between the words supporter & fan?

Come on, you know what he meant by his question, i just think your fishing for rows now.

[Aosoth]

Doesn't actually matter if he is being nit-picky over the words Biggsy, he's still wrong anyways.

He's trying to argue semantics and he's arguing himself into a corner.  It'd help him to understand the words he's using in the first place rather than throw them in willy-nilly in order to try to appear intelligent.

There is more than one definition for the word 'support', it has many in fact, this is by no means an exhaustive list, just the first one I stumbled across.

(yes I realise I'm a pedant!!  )

support (sə pôrt′)

transitive verb

   1.   1. to carry or bear the weight of; keep from falling, slipping or sinking; hold up
         2. to carry or bear (a specified weight, strain, pressure, etc.)
   2. to give courage, faith, or confidence to; help or comfort
   3. to give approval to or be in favor of; subscribe to; uphold
   4. to maintain or provide for (a person, institution, etc.) with money, or subsistence
   5. to show or tend to show to be true; help prove, vindicate, or corroborate: evidence to support a claim
   6. to bear; endure; submit to; tolerate
   7. to keep up; maintain; sustain; specif., to maintain (the price of a specified commodity) as by government purchase of surpluses
   8. Comput. to be compatible with
      see compatible (sense )
   9. Theater to act a subordinate role in the same play with (a specified star)

I've emboldened and underlined the specific definition that you might want to have a look at Gareth.

Edit: I'll throw in the definition of the noun 'supporter' for good measure.

sup·port·er
   /səˈpɔrtər, -ˈpoʊr-
–noun
1. a person or thing that supports.
2. an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate.
3. a device, usually of elastic cotton webbing, for supporting some part of the body, esp. a jockstrap.
4. a garter, esp. one attached to a garter belt or girdle.
5. Heraldry . either of two human or animal figures flanking and supporting an escutcheon in an achievement of arms.

[Gareth Keown]

yeah.... and I support the colour turquise and the Uranium 238 isotope in the constellation of Ursa Major.... simply because..

I can 

PS - oh.... and whiskers on kittens too, now that we're on the subject...

[PaulInRome]

Gareth, you've gone a long way to ruining what was an interesting thread. We are all supporters of Spurs and we are passionate about it which is why we are on this list. My 9 year old daughter has decided to support Inter Milan, and was jumping up and down with glee when Inter won the Champions League. The logic that she isn't a supporter because she doesn't have a bloody season ticket is pathetic.

[Gareth Keown]

she is a fan..... not a supporter..

and I would as far as to suggest she is a fan of a fashionably successful football club.... the Inter Milan bit is incidental..

and there's nothing wrong with that either.